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- Rummy in Blackjack can refer to one of two things: The Costa Rican variant of blackjack. The Rummy Side bet. Because we often get questions about this, we'll answer both in a quick and easy blackjack strategy guide. Rummy Blackjack. As you may already be aware, Rummy is a completely separate card game popular worldwide.
- OBJECTIVE OF THREE CARD RUMMY: The final goal of Three Card Rummy is to create a hand that has a value lower than that of the dealer's. NUMBER OF PLAYERS: 1 to 7 players MATERIALS: A standard decks of 52 cards, casino chips or cash, and a blackjack table with a custom layout. TYPE OF GAME: Card Matching Game AUDIENCE: Adult.
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I've calculated this, and you would never hit an A/10.
I agree, and was confused by the '3 card 21' column, and thought you got a bonus on all 3 card 21s of 5 to 1, which would indeed make doubling (or hitting) profitable. My mistake.
When I was there 15 years ago the bonus was paid on the doubled amount,if that is still true,it might be correct to double 6,6 against 2 or 3 and 4,4 against 2thru 6 but am not sure.
If the rummy bonus pays on the entire bet (which I have read on other forums too), then you will double suited 6s versus a 3 or a 5 and any 6s versus a 4.
You will also double 4s against 2 through 6.
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If the rummy bonus pays on the entire bet (which I have read on other forums too), then you will double suited 6s versus a 3 or a 5 and any 6s versus a 4.
You will also double 4s against 2 through 6.
Can you elaborate on what other forums say on this topic? Based on the evidence you've seen, what is the probability you think the bonus is based on the full doubled bet? Can you provide any links to other forums on this topic?
Can you elaborate on what other forums say on this topic? Based on the evidence you've seen, what is the probability you think the bonus is based on the full doubled bet? Can you provide any links to other forums on this topic?
This is on BJ21.com: BJ21 Rummy Post
I think there is an excellent chance that this has been done in the past, but I can't find any current info. I suppose it could be a rule variation.
I have also read many times that a busted rummy (888 for instance) pays 4-1, and on at least one site, I've read of increased rummy pays of 4/7 instead of 3/5.
I'm really hoping that you can get some great info from any Costa Rican contacts.
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In addition to that, I just called the former owner of a CR casino who said the bonus is indeed applied to the FULL doubled bet.
However, on the day we arrived, our hotel was right next to a casino, so I checked it out. I was going to play Rummy, but then I realized the House Edge must be pretty high, and if the game has a high edge I'd rather play a game with plenty of variance, so I didn't play.
I'm no mathematician, so I'm wondering if my assumption that the lack of Blackjacks paying 3 to 2 would create too huge an edge for the bonuses to make up for was right.
If the rummy bonus pays on the entire bet (which I have read on other forums too), then you will double suited 6s versus a 3 or a 5 and any 6s versus a 4.
You will also double 4s against 2 through 6.
Can you elaborate on what other forums say on this topic? Based on the evidence you've seen, what is the probability you think the bonus is based on the full doubled bet? Can you provide any links to other forums on this topic?
Can you elaborate on what other forums say on this topic? Based on the evidence you've seen, what is the probability you think the bonus is based on the full doubled bet? Can you provide any links to other forums on this topic?
This is on BJ21.com: BJ21 Rummy Post
This is nearly 9 years old.
I think there is an excellent chance that this has been done in the past, but I can't find any current info. I suppose it could be a rule variation.
I have also read many times that a busted rummy (888 for instance) pays 4-1, and on at least one site, I've read of increased rummy pays of 4/7 instead of 3/5.
I'm really hoping that you can get some great info from any Costa Rican contacts.
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In addition to that, I just called the former owner of a CR casino who said the bonus is indeed applied to the FULL doubled bet.
However, on the day we arrived, our hotel was right next to a casino, so I checked it out. I was going to play Rummy, but then I realized the House Edge must be pretty high, and if the game has a high edge I'd rather play a game with plenty of variance, so I didn't play.
I'm no mathematician, so I'm wondering if my assumption that the lack of Blackjacks paying 3 to 2 would create too huge an edge for the bonuses to make up for was right.
Let me say that my rough estimate for now shows a house edge of right about 1%. I'd give it +/- 0.1%.
I'm at 1.02%.
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I'm at 1.02%.
Good to hear! Cindy Liu (non forum member) is also getting right around 1%. I appreciate your confirmation. I hope to have a strategy and more details up on my Odds site early next week.
Can You Beat Costa Rican Rummy with Card Counting?
By Arnold Snyder(First published in Card Player, December 1993)
© 1993 Arnold Snyder
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Question from a Player: I will be vacationing in Costa Rica again this year. They have casinos there, but blackjack is illegal. Instead, they have their own variation of blackjack, which they call 'rummy' — not in any way related to the card game of rummy as played in the U.S.
'Rummy' in Costa Rica is exactly like blackjack, dealt by a house dealer, except that they have a slew of weird rules and bonuses. The game is dealt from a 4-deck shoe, and they deal pretty deeply — I'd say about 3 decks dealt.
Costa Rican Rummy Rules
The one bad rule is that blackjacks pay even money. But, listen to the good rules:
*Dealer stands on soft 17.
*Unlimited resplits of pairs, including aces.
*Double down on any two cards.
*Double after splits allowed.
*Early surrender vs. both ten and ace!
*Three 7s pays 5-to-1.
*Any other 3 of a kind pays 3-to-1.
*Take insurance on a dealer ten up! (And if the dealer has an ace in the hole, the insurance pays 10-to-1!)
*Three card straight flushes pay 3-to-1!
Have you ever heard of a set of rules like this before? I've been an amateur card counter for many years. I use the old John Archer ten-count. Can you tell me what kind of an advantage I can get in this Costa Rican rummy game, and also do I take insurance vs. ten up at the same count that I use for insurance with an ace up? Thanks!
Costa Rican Rummy—the Killer Rule
Answer: Frankly, I doubt that you can get much of an advantage in this game. Because of the deep shuffle point, you may be able to get an edge if you use a very large spread, but it won't be much of an edge. I admit that I have not done any detailed analysis of this unique game, because I believe it's a waste of time.
That 'one bad rule' — blackjacks pay even money — is a killer, worth about 2.3% to the house. Even with all of the other great rules and bonuses, the house still probably has close to a 1% advantage over you off the top of the deck. That's tough to beat with card counting at this level of penetration.
Regarding the option to take insurance when the dealer has a ten-valued card up — don't do it. This is a sucker bet. That 10-to-1 payoff is just too low. You would need almost 13-to-1 to make it a break even proposition.
Also, your card counting system will provide no help in determining when to place this bet. You would want to be counting aces vs. non-aces in order to know when to place this bet, but with such a poor payoff, you'd be wasting your time if you kept the side count. If they ever offer the option with a 12-to-1 payoff, then it might be worth it to count the aces. The house would still have the advantage off the top, but you would see occasional profitable insurance opportunities. At 10-to-1, don't hold your breath.
Despite the vast array of bonus payouts, altogether they are not worth very much. All of those 3-card hands are pretty rare. It's more likely that the house makes more money by offering these bonuses than the players make by collecting on them. Some players will be tempted to violate basic strategy in order to try for the bonus payouts, such as occasionally hitting a two-card stiff when basic strategy tells you to stand, or hitting a pair when you should be splitting it. Such plays could be quite costly in the long run.
Few players would be tempted to hit a pair of jacks or kings in order to try for three of a kind, but more might be tempted to hit a pair of aces or eights instead of splitting. If you've got a pair of eights, the odds against being dealt a third eight in a 4-deck game are about 14-to-1. But the payout for making the hand is only 3-to-1! The actual cost to the player who makes this blunder-bet will, of course, depend on the dealer upcard.
As for those 3-card straight flushes, the odds against your making one of these hands are even worse. Assuming you start with two of the necessary cards, the odds against catching a straight flush on the next card dealt are almost 26-to-1, or about 51-to-1 if you're foolish enough to try for an inside or closed end straight flush! Trying for that 3-to-1 payoff for making it is very costly to the player.
It's unlikely that any practical card counting system could be devised to take advantage of these bonuses. It would be extremely rare that any variation from basic strategy, or your count strategy, would be the optimal way to play a hand in order to try for a bonus.
Recommended Strategy for Costa Rican Rummy
If you think the game of rummy is fun, and you're intent on playing it since it's the only form of blackjack they have in Costa Rica, here's my recommended strategy:
Follow your normal card counting strategy for all playing decisions. It's especially important that you take full advantage of the early surrender option, because this is the most valuable rule on the table.
(I don't believe the 'Archer Method' provided early surrender decisions. If not, you should either learn basic strategy for early surrender, available in most modern card counting books, or switch to a more recently developed counting system so that you can learn a few of the important indices for altering your strategy.)
Ignore the insurance vs. ten-up option. Best $5 blackjack in vegas. Never try for a bonus hand; just be happy when you collect on one during the course of your normal play. Don't raise your bet until your count system indicates that your advantage has gone up by about 2% (with that unbalanced Archer Count, wait until a running count of +30!), and use as much of a betting spread as you can get away with (and afford).
If a casino with otherwise standard blackjack rules (i.e., blackjacks pay 3-to-2!) put all of those other Costa Rican rules and bonus hands in a game, it would be a very valuable game for a card counter. Even the basic strategy player would have the edge in such a game. But when blackjacks pay even money, forget it.
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If you can use a very large spread, you might get slightly over the break even point in this Costa Rican rummy game. But don't expect to make big bucks at it. ♠
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